Curse

Psyko · Mar 07, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Just a general PvE build that i like playing with

A/Mo
Critical Strikes: 12 +1 +2
Dagger Mastery: 10 +2
Healing Prayers: 8

[skill]Jagged Strike[/skill][skill]Wild Strike[/skill][skill]Golden Fang Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Way of the Assassin[/skill][skill]Critical Eye[/skill][skill]Critical Agility[/skill][skill]Live Vicariously[/skill]

major point of the build is to provide moderate defense (enough to make healing you not a b**ch) while keeping as much DPS as possible.

I also use this build in PvP by replacing critical agility with [skill]Critical Defenses[/skill]

so, your thoughts?

Tyla · Mar 07, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

No point in having CritStrikes past 13.
Jagged Strike is bad.
Live Vicariously? O_O
Way of the Assassin is only truly good on other martial weapons.

dicecube · Mar 07, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Live Vicariously? O_O

agree what the f?

Psyko · Mar 07, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

there was more of a point in having LV with the first rendition of this build where the attacks also depended on an enchant, however the chain i have now is more efficient, and now LV is only there to fuel way of the assassin.

The reason for that specific enchant is because i wanted one that was low maintenance and provided a decent bonus along with it.

Jagged strike is there for the CD time. It allows me to spam a lead attack quickly, in case the first gets blocked. Thats also the theory behind the two off hand attacks, quick recharges so i can use them in quick succession. Both of them would be higher damage, but there are no high damage, quick recharging off hand attacks other than wild strike.

Way of the Assassin is there for a double use. Yes, the crits are a big thing, but only because each critical gets me +5 energy, making the attacks virtually free.

Tyla · Mar 07, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

The highest breakpoint for Critical Strikes is 13, which returns 3 energy, I assume you're taking Zealous Daggers and with Critical Eye, that makes 4E per crit, 1E per hit.

If you're worried about blocking, Golden Fox Strike should stop that, and Critical Agility should be enchantment enough with it's easy refresh.
And if you want quick recharging off-hands, Moebius Strike is your man.

But if you think Moebius Strike/Death Blossom cycle is boring, I wouldn't consider playing the Assassin tbh.

Psyko · Mar 07, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

oh no, i do very much like the moebius/ death blossom combo, however i like the cohesion of my current build just a bit more.

as for the 13 pt Crit strike cap, never thought of that, ill take that into consideration, thanks.

It is true, however that it is acceptable to just use critical agility in place of LV, however if CA gets stripped then you are stuck waiting 30 seconds with gimped damage. LV you can at least keep recasting on call. It also provides quite a bit of healing when you think about it. At 8 pts you get 10 hp per hit, every .89 seconds with CA, not counting skills and double strikes (im not sure whether the game calculates double strikes as a single hit each, nor do i know if the attack timer resets each time you use a skill)

Tyla · Mar 07, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Then in that case, use something else, that's cheap -- Way of Perfection can be precasted and reused on recharge, besides, Enchantment Removal isn't as common in PvE as PvP.

Psyko · Mar 07, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

hmm, i was thinking of way of perfection, theoretically it would heal more, with high enough crit, and high enough points in shadow arts.

And bringing up my PvP experience i would say enchant removal isnt that common in either field. At least, from what i have seen so far.

one last thing. Calling LV crap without proof isn't a very efficient way of going about convincing someone

Tyla · Mar 07, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

In high level PvP, Enchantment Removal is almost everywhere.

Live Vicariously is bad because it's -1EReg, and it's just the same potential as +5Health Regeneration, +10 if you doublestrike.
You'll be better mitigating the damage from Melee, Rangers, Paragons ect with Critical Agility.

Psyko · Mar 07, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

ahhh, but with my setup that -1ep counts for absolutely nothing. I have enough energy and more to cast all the stuff i need when i need it, so in the end i get the benefit of the equivalent of +5 health regen AND CA. Good deal as i see it

and i dont really have an interest in high end PvP, im casual with respects to it, so bleh :P

- Tain - · Mar 07, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Vigorous Spirit > Live Vicariously

Vig's been buffed nicely... 5/.25/4 and lasts for 30s, and heals for more than LV.

Psyko · Mar 07, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

ooo, now there's something. i was sorta in the business for a constant enchant, but that looks tempting. Thanks for the info.

- Tain - · Mar 08, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

That's as close to constant as you need, really, and much easier to recast than if your LV was removed.

Bobby2 · Mar 08, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

I could say

'needs more Moebius Strike'

but I'll wait until someone else does and then simply quote and type /agree

FlamingMetroid · Mar 08, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

I could say

'needs more Moebius Strike'

but I'll wait until someone else does and then simply quote and type /agree

/agree

I've played around with WotA using daggers, yeah its fun, but once you compare the damage to moebius DB, you stop using WotA

Little Shenanigan · Mar 08, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

i don't think anyone else said it, but two major runes are bad on any charc (especially on a sin)
you should instead aim to use just minors.

- Tain - · Mar 08, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Shenanigan

you should instead aim to use just minors.

/agree

Sacrificing health for attributes is worthwhile to make breakpoints in skills or effects - as it is you don't need higher than 13 crit strikes or 11 dag, so keep your 70 hp.

Psyko · Mar 08, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Shenanigan

i don't think anyone else said it, but two major runes are bad on any charc (especially on a sin)
you should instead aim to use just minors.

true, and the rest of my runes are placed to balance out the health loss, because i had nothing better to do with them. (im at 510 with 2 majors, not... that... bad)

still, i switched out a major crit strikes for a minor, to see how that goes.

and to those advocating moebius as the only way to go, all i have to say to that is that when moebius can offer as much as WotA both energy, damage AND defense (when using critical defenses against an enemy using a blocking stance, you need to make the most out of every hit you get in, higher crit chance increases the probability of you keeping your own defense up) then i will swear by it. Until then, its the weapon of the scrub, and i refuse to use something with so little vision behind it.

ensoriki · Mar 08, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

jagged strike just blows.

its a normal auto attack that causes bleed.... whoope.
if your worried about block GFS man...

Psyko · Mar 08, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

block isnt the ONLY reason i use it, its just A reason.

it is there for the timing. Because im not using moebius (yes, i admit, moebius is good damage) i want to be able to spam as many attacks as i can, the fast lead attack allows me to do that. Again, if there were another skill, with a fast recharge (say, 2 secs, 3 at most) that had a better effect i would most certainly use it. Unsuspecting strike's 10 energy limits the chain too much, i needed a 5 energy attack.